Is there an ENTRY CAP?

Yes, we will be limiting the school to about 26 students to maintain a good student/teacher ratio and physical space limitations.

Can I bring my street car?

Yes, any safe car can be used. No highly raised trucks or raised SUVs please (small rollover possibility). Rally prepared cars are fine if not too loud — we are in the city. Car will get  muddy, but not damaged. Lowered cars will probably scrape the front bumper or underside of engine bay as some ruts develop. Be warned. Flat tires most common car issue (only if too low of air pressure-keep above 25psi). We run in a large open field on GRASS, with no fixed obstacles.  It is a safe learning environment with low risk.

Can I SHARE a car?

Yes, we work with shared cars.   It works out very well.    Please let us know in advance that you will be sharing your car with another student.

I took your school before, do I get a discounted entry?

Yes, returning students now get a substantial discount off the class price.  Call or email me for details.  Registration should still be made early to guarantee a spot.

Do you offer a CO-DRIVER (navigator) School?

Yes, it is held in conjunction with the driving school and shares some of the exercises.  For a fee of $135, students sit for the Friday night classroom session and receive the comprehensive text book.  Then on Saturday they sit with 2 experienced co-drivers, and receive comprehensive navigating information and training.  They also participate in the infamous “lunch  MINI STAGE RALLY” for some real-life experience.

Can I RENT a car?

Yes, there are a rental cars available for the  school:  (note you will likely be sharing this car with another student during the day)  The price is PER PERSON.

All-Wheel Drive Rental Cars – $400 (Includes Gas and Cleaning) DOES NOT INCLUDE SCHOOL FEE!

Front-Wheel Drive Rental Cars – $300 (Includes Gas and Cleaning) DOES NOT INCLUDE SCHOOL FEE!  (Subject to very limited availability)

Call Paul (503-624-2139) to reserve.  YOU MUST CALL EARLY TO RESERVE A RENTAL CAR!!   Our rentals are Great for those flying into town for the school. Please note: some cars are under subcontract with local racers and may have specific restrictions for use.  Price includes the one paid session for the Sunday competition, if you plan to run a “time only” extra session, arrangements must be made in advance with the car owner.  Cars are to remain at the school overnight and cannot be used for personal transportation.

If I bring my (driver/co-driver) do we get a discounted price?

Yes!    If you and your buddy (co-driver, etc) sign up for the full 3 day school you will get a $40 total discount to share between you both.  But those wishing to just attend the Friday classroom session and get the valuable manual and information and the sit through a comprehensive Co-driving class or simply watch during  the DRIVING day will get a $10 discount off the  Co-Driver school price.  We will also set you up with a seasoned co-driving instructor to answer navigator specific questions.  Friends and family are welcome to come WATCH  on the DRIVING DAY.  They must sign the insurance waiver though.

I don’t plan to do stage rally, is this still for me?

Yes, although we will go over a broad spectrum of rally topics, we will always get back to “controlling a car at speed on slippery surfaces.”  I plan for this school to be enjoyed by driving enthusiasts, autocrossers, rally fanatics, new drivers, and Club Rallyists (new and experienced).  I can put in contact with former students if you want a customer opinion.  But everyone seems to leave with a BIG GRIN and increased driving skills.

Do I need to be a member of a car club to enter?

No, this school is open to anyone. Advanced schools may be limited to SCCA, RA, ARA, or NASA members in the future. We do hope to do an advanced school soon and private lessons are available on request.

I am only 16 years old, can I attend?

Yes, but all students must have a valid driver’s license, current car insurance, and those under the age of 18 must have a MINOR WAIVER signed by both parents (or guardians) in advance of the school.

Do I have to bring a helmet?

No, we will have loaner helmets available, but if you have your own (SA2010+ or DOT Rated ) helmet you are welcome to bring and use it.  We don’t want you to lose any seat time waiting for a loaner helmet.  I offer a good deal for students wishing to ORDER their own  a helmet in advance. I can deliver a white or black, or Flat Black open face PYROTECT SA2015 helmet  for $149 to any student. (msrp is $199)   Order at least 2 weeks ahead of class to insure it arrives before the school.  Also available in Gloss Black or Flat Black if you order ahead.  Sizes = S, M, L, XL, XXL, and XXXL   Medium = 7 1/8″ to 7 1/4″ hat size.   Call if you have questions.

I have some rally experience, but am looking to get more, should I come?

It depends. Email me at: and we can discuss best alternatives, or call 503-624-2139. Primitive Performance Driving plans to put on Advanced schools later in the year, but that is still tentative.

Are there nearby hotels?

Yes, contact us for the list.

Will lunch be provided?

No, you will be directed to a restaurant as part of the MINI RALLY Lunch exercise on Saturday, but you do not have to eat there. Several other places are within a .5 mile of that spot.

Friday night seems like a long time in the classroom (4:45pm- 10:15pm), will we get a break?

Yes, there will be 2 short breaks, but plan to bring a snack.  I will be offering a PIZZA DINNER option ($10) for Pizza, soft drinks and salad. (PDX school)   Other dinner options available from Marriott at Norcal School

Does my school entry cover my entry fee for the Sunday RallyCross event?

Yes. It covers your school, printed materials, goodie bag, personal instruction and seat time, and entry for Sunday’s event. It does not include meals, snacks, or a car.

What about tires, do I do anything special?

Make sure that your tires have 30-40psi and good tread.  Clean out loose items from inside your car and trunk, and be sure that your battery is securely held down into place.  Why not check the oil level and coolant while you are at it …  Rally-type tires are not needed, nor even recommended.  You will learn the most on street tires.

What about refunds?

Your entry is completely refundable up until 4 weeks before the event and if the event gets cancelled or postponed.  Try to give us as much notice as possible and we will work to do the same.  If you do have to cancel within that last week, contact me to work out a refund plan (move to next event or refund less a processing fee, etc)  I will work with you.

What else should I bring?

Pen, small calculator, sense of adventure, extra shoes/socks, hat/sunscreen, rain slicker, snack, water bottle, sunglasses, digital watch, umbrella, rag or towel, possibly a clipboard, tarp or EZ up.  We will OFTEN have Black Sun Racing Services present to provide air for free and sell, tire services, minor repairs, car supplies and water, soda, snacks and all important hot coffee in the morning and cold Red Bull and Gatorade in the afternoon at…

Can I get a cool PRIMITIVE RALLY TEAM T-Shirt?

 Sure!  We have T-Shirts available at registration for $15 or you can pre-order when you sign up.  We also have a special deal on the nice, Subaru EXTREME WEATHER emergency kit for your car.  $42 for students.  We have BLACK HOODIES as well for $25 to commemorate your weekend of a lifetime!